Jon & Kate Plus 8

Ok, I almost hate to bring this up..but have you guys seen Kate?  She's had so much work done I didn't recognize her.  All for the kids, I'm sure.

 

 

I am happy to see that she changed her hair.

I saw the makeover about 3 months ago.  I like the new look.  Did you know she is going on Dancing with the Stars?

Jon said he was going to get plugs also because he was going bald.

He was going bald years ago and I think he already did plugs once.  I remember it on the show because it was so gross what they did.   They must not of took.

 

It's been so nice not seeing them all over the news, but short lived.  I can't wait till the mommy dearest book comes out in 10 years.

I like her and did not like him. I think the way she has been handled her PR people are better than his PR people. 

I am rooting for her but that has a lot to do with my life experience.

I agree with you Aud. Mind you his PR people would have to be miracle workers to do anything for him. I also like her newest look and think she deserves it. She's a hard worker that girl. Did you hear that the bachelor, Jake, is going to be on dancing with the stars? Suddenly he's a star because he can fall in 'love' with more than one woman and cry on cue. 

I must have missed the Kate you both speak of.

 

I'm rooting for kids.

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I said it was life experience is why my opinion of her is positive. 

-She has 8 kids.  That alone scares me and makes me stand in her corner.

-She had a show making money and Jon shut it down when he left.  It was fine as long as he was on the show but when they put him out then it became bad for the children.

-He took the money out of the household account setup to take care of their children.  The courts made him put it back.  That is stealing from your children

- If she is dating the camera stalkers have not been able to catch her.  They show her putting her kids on the school bus and taking care of the children.

-The camera see Jon smoking  and out with his girlfriend saying she is leaving him because he is abusive.

The Kate I see is a strong single mom trying to care for 8 children and looking good doing what single mothers do to raise their children.

That is the Kate I see.  When a man leaves you in the lurch with 8 kids the best revenge is looking good and making it without him dragging you down to his low level.  She does not need him to succeed and the kids standard of living will not go down.

Well it's a good thing her personality or motives didn't make it onto the list.   I see, it sounds like "she" is somehow become the divorced wife "single mom" hero with 8 kids.  Maybe she'll inspire other women out there to treat their loved ones like dirt and follow their own egotistical journey to fortune and fame.  I am woman hear me roar.

 

Before she was stalked by cameras she invited them in her house.  There are hours of episodes with her being her wonderful self.  Strong women I admire but not those who beat others down.  She was abusive.  Jon's a twit but nobody deserves that.

Ok, I'm going to apologize in advance if I come off snarky.   I've had a bad day but I still think Kate is a attention hound.  I wish the kids best.

 

Nothing personal Aud.  I like you but I think your taste in woman with 8 kids is .....

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You never have to apologize to me for being snarky.  I did not take it that way.  Sensitive is not on my planet.  If somebody disagrees with me I do not take it personal.   I probably have a lot of Kate in me.  I repeat I know my opinion is tainted because of life experience. 

Supporting your children on your own you take on a more untraditional role of what is seen in our society as coming out of that little woman have to ask my DH if I can do something.  Or worst, in my eyes, of I cannot be forceful with a MAN because I am a woman.

If Jon was a real man and was doing what he was suppose to do she would not have had to talked to him like a child.  Nor would he have allowed her to speak to him that was not respectful. 

I tried that Kate attitude with my DB and he stopped me quick with a look and said do not do that again.  I am pushy, want what I want and trend toward a Kate attitude.  It takes a strong man to get respect.    

I see him as a idiot and time will show who had the business sense in that relationship.  At least the kids will not have to live on welfare with Kate in charge.

Sorry in advance, Boo. But I see it Aud's way from family experience.

Although I can't see me tackling the tree service guy.

I don't respect an abusive man or woman.  My concerns are for her kids.  I don't see her as a good mom because she is out there grabbing fame and fortune.  Being poor isn't a bad spot to be if you have a caring mom.

 

Is Kate a great business woman?  Maybe.  Decent person? no

I did not see her words as abuse.  He had choices and he took the choice of leaving.   He was/is an idiot.  

I do not see a woman as a bad mother because she goes to work.  Regardless if it is in entertainment or waitress as long as it is a legal profession. 

Poor is not bad if that is all you can do.  I have been poor and I have been better off.  Give me a choice I am not going for poor and I did whatever was necessary so my daughter did not live in below standard housing. I got a job.   The better education, health care, living conditions and face time you can give your children is your best way of caring for your children therefore making you a good mother.  She has a nursing degree that income and work structure of that profession would not give her children the privilege of face time and income that entertainment will give her. 

She has 8 kids and Poor abused Jon is not sending support because he does not have a job. 

Sash I did not tackle him he tackled me.   That was his choice. 

Being poor doesn't mean the mom isn't working. I understand your respect for her seems to be because of her financial success.  I'm saying she behaved awful.  I guess that doesn't matter.  There are plenty of terrible mothers that provided money for their children.  It's also the avenue she has chosen.  She is doing this for her children?  She is because of her children.  We wouldn't even know her name hadn't she exploited her children in the first place.

 

She belittled Jon constantly on the show for years.  I couldn't help think if she was that bad on screen what was she like when they were unplugged.  This was verbal abuse.  What happened during the divorce?  Well, she actually was behaved and played one heck of a show not saying one bad thing about him.  Maybe if she would have done this during their marriage (at least when they were on the show) she would still have her show.  He was nasty and stupid for a reason.  It's too bad that the children are caught in the middle.

I know a woman like Kate when it comes to the verbal abuse.  Her husband is the nicest guy you'll ever meet, he just has trouble sticking up for himself in front of people.  She takes advantage of this and is constantly putting him down in front of friends.  When they're alone she says he's different, more assertive.  I can't count the number of times I've squirmed with embarrassment while listening to her talk to him and have even said something to her on more than one occasion.

This doesn't mean I think Jon is an angel, far from it.  He should step up to the plate and start helping to support those kids of his.;

Although I admire Kate for taking care of all those children and for getting on with her life I don't blame Jon for wanting out of the marriage.  If I had a boyfriend that spoke to me like Kate spoke to Jon I would leave too.

They shouldn't have smeared their  little family on tv for the world to see.Probally would have had a happy life together out of the sight of prying eye's.How many families do you see broken because of tv,camera's,paparazzi .Alway's someone in their business.

 @ Aud. I truly needed to laugh tonight. Reading some of these posts have helped a tad bit. I can still see Aud and that man on the ground thrashing about. Too funny! As far as Jon and Kate are concerned, I'm not too impressed with either one of them. I do think it's great for a woman to provide for her children when she can, but think that she wouldn't have had a show if it weren't for those kids. As for Jon, I'm not sure if he spoke up when he did because that was the first time he'd felt free to do so. In a marriage you sometimes have to go along with your spouce. Once you seperate, things can suddenly change and you are no longer willing to do that. I don't know. Either way, I'm glad they have moved on, I was really tired of hearing about it. Connie

No Boo I do not "respect for her seems to be because of her financial success."  I respect her for the success of what I see or her PR lets you see.  She is putting the kids on the school bus.  Taking them to the park and playing with them.  Maybe I get more of the PR because they live in PA.  When you see Jon he is out partying around town. 

I cannot get into what makes a man and woman happy.  I have seen perfectly happy couples that do not speak to their spouse like I think they should speak to each other.  Is that my business if he or she stays?  What is one man's poison is another man's piece of cake.  I cannot judge that relationship and call one or the other awful.    You have some women that like to be controlled and told what to do and you have men that like a woman to take control.

It kinda speaks of what Jon is about when he sleeps with the babysitter and the woman he was dating when he left Kate had to leave him.  There are always reasons in a relationship that on the outside look like one thing when in fact it is something else.  That something else comes out in actions.  What is Jon actions.  What is Kate doing?  Working on continuing to make a decent life for her children and not out partying.

She did not exploit the children alone Jon signed the contract also. When Jon started to project the drinking, smoking party boy the station tried to take him off the show.  Then he steps up and said he did not want his children exploited.  Took the kids money out of the bank.  He is such a great guy.

I am sorry Boo but yes financial responsibility is a big part of being a good parent.  Kids need health care, food, and clothes.  To be a good parent you cannot rule out financial responsibility.   You cannot say you are a good mommy to your dog if you did not or could not afford to take her to the vet.   If you have a dog, cat, kid you should make sure you have the funds to care for them.

I stand by he was not abused.  He was a grown man and if he did not like what she said to him speak up or get out.  He got out.  He did not have to talk about the mother of his children or take his kids money.

Sheesh, I never agree with anybody but I do agree with Aud.

I had three kids but if I'd have had two plus six then I'd have done anything to put food on the table. They made the decision together and who can say if it did anything detrimental to the kids. Maybe if they're screwed up in the long run it's because their dad couldn't keep his p***** in his pants and wanted more than their mother. Then he left and took 'their' livelyhood away from them because he was only thinking about himself and wanting the easy life without working. Meanwhile, even when Kate was being a mom and on the 'show', she was writing books etc. and planning ahead.

I think we also know that in these reality shows they're edited and you only see what they want you to see.

I saw a tabloid picture of Kate putting her hand over her son's mouth. Lordy knows what that boy said so I wouldn't call that abuse. One of mine at the age of four told his brother to FO when we were in a grocery check-out and believe me, I didn't think about it but I grabbed him by the arm and had my face in his in a second. Abuse, I don't think so. Discipline, yes. The little booger never said it again.

Sash you cannot agree with me.   I had forgot how she was on the road with the book. I do admire her business ingenuity.  She is aware she has 8 kids to care for and it is on her to provide.  Jon was home being Mr Mom and servicing the Babysitter.  The show was his only income.  After he left they filmed him getting a birthday cake after he had taken the money from the kids account.  That was special buying them a cake with their money.

Connie one of my trees fell down with the high winds we had I have a repairman book so when anything happens I pull out the book and start calling my daughter saw me with the book and said "Do not call that tree guy you had the fight with"   I guess it was not funny to her to see her mom rolling around on the ground with the tree guy.

I s'pose y'all have heard Kate is on DWTS?  I have much more to comment on DWTS, but that's another thread...  (Not that THIS pot needs stirring...)

Wing you can stir the pot.  We do not take any of this personal.  It is fun and we all like each other.  We have fun stirring that pot and next we will be passing the glass of bubbly.

I didn't address the issue of Jon taking the kids money. I can't stand anyone who takes someone's money for any reason. Decent folks don't do that. No one said that he could take it he just took it. Wrong! I would hate anyone who did that to me. I would never tell anyone they could take even a dime of my money, except my son or granddaughter. If anyone else did they should be prosecuted. He should have had to return the money. Like I said, I'm not too impressed with either of them.Connie

Connie the courts made him put it back in the account.

That's good. Connie

He started whining that he did not have any money.  The pay from the show was distributed that each had their own money and a household account was set up for support he moved out of the house and wanted to use the household account when Kate went to pay the household bills the mortgage, utilities she realized the money was gone. 

The courts ruled that the household was where the kids lived not for his living expenses.  He had a pay check and account for those expenses.

Kate had him on an allowance even when he was working outside of the show.  During one episode I remember her shrieking at him when she found out he didn't use a coupon for something.  It was ridiculous.  I don't know how many shows you guys watched but the after show Kate was totally different.

 

 

After years of it yes, but a lot of abused people stay in bad relationships, even grown men.

 

She is working hard all right but to say it's for the kids sake.  Ha!   We could sit here and argue until we're blue in the face.  It's different opinions about a woman.  I agree with a few of your statements about what makes a good parent.  What I disagree about is that Kate fits in there.  Personally I don't find her to be anything to side with or for her to be a poster child for powerful single moms.

I did not watch many episodes.  Probably 1 1/2 I hate reality TV.   As much as people said they hated the way Kate spoke to Jon they watched. The show had record number viewers.  Not recognizing that it was entertainment and not a true picture of their life. 

I saw an interview on Larry King with Jon and that question of how she spoke to him was a topic he admitted it was not a total picture.  So when people think they know how a person is I think we should remember this is entertainment not real.    Because the after show Kate is different than what I heard about the TV Kate is what I have based my opinion because TV is entertainment.  Your actions after the cameras and editing is done is what is real.

I do not think anyone works hard for the sole purpose of another.  Work is to support yourself and your family.  I know my husband did not work because he had a kid.  When we separated he still worked.  But when kids are in your care any salary you get will be eaten by those cute little darlings.

I have never and will never put any entertainer up on a pedestal.  That is what is wrong with our society.  That honor should be your parents, grandparents other immediate family.  Not a poster child to me. She is just another woman entertainer with children.

You are right we see her differently.  I did not get the reality TV side because I did not watch it my impression was from the interviews and news reports of after the show was gone.  I got the impression of a strong woman working through life.  she was articulate, not bad mouthing her kids father and caring for her kids.  I have to add she looks darn good too even if she had some work done it was good work.  I have seen some of them look better before the fix.

Now passsss the bubbly I am tired of Kate and Jon and the little rich 8 kids I am jealous they have more money than me. LOL

I see.   Well, I think filming with 8 kids is probably as real as you can get.  Infants aren't really good at putting on a show and they tend to bring out the real in people. They are adorable kids though and even though I hate reality tv, it was fun watching them grow up and go off to school.  It wasn't like an episode of the bachelor.

 

I agree that she has become an entertainer.  One heck of one apparently.

So true. We are the BS version of The View.

All I can say is she'd better be an entertainer and make lots of money as those kids are smart and will likely want to go to college or university and that will cost a pretty penny.